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Post by James Miller on Aug 7, 2009 13:38:53 GMT -5
Hello Amanda and Greg! Congratulations on making the finals. You all should be proud of what you accomplished because there are many of us on the jury who are bitter because we wanted what you all got --- so enjoy this.  I'm a little up in the air on this vote to tell you the truth. I have some beef with the both of you, but at the same time, I can come up with reasons why you both deserve the win. My plan for my questions is to just lay all my cards on the table concerning why I'm hesitant to vote for you. I'll probably come across as bitchy, but I just want to be straight forward and allow you to explain why I'm wrong for being hesitant to vote for you. I welcome you to contradict what I have to say. Stick up for yourself. As a matter of fact, I'll be a little disappointed if you don't. You worked hard to get to the finals. You need to be able to confidently defend your game. After that, I have a couple specific questions that I'd like answered. Clear as mud?... Great. Amanda
I'm very hesitant to give you my vote for the finals here. I don't feel like you were a very passionate player. You sat out of numerous immunity challenges on Banayri -- I think more than any other tribe member -- and you never won an immunity challenge when the game turned individual. In the early stages of this game, it was practically impossible for me to get you to reply to a message. All of these things lead me to question your passion.
I also think you play the victim card too much. On Banayri, you joined an alliance yourself and tried to build upon it. When others caught on and decided to counter your strength, you began to play the victim card. You came into the merge and immediately began to capitalize on that. For you, I guess it worked. But for me, it's pretty hard not to be bitter about that. I guess I just don't like how you try to make yourself the victim.
And, lastly, the obvious issue -- we butted heads on numerous occasions. I lost a ton of respect for you when you sent me the message the round where Stephenie was voted out. You treated me like shit in that message, and that just made me develop a hatred for you that led me to vote for you a third time. When I did that, you had the audacity to call me out on it. Honestly, I really don't want to give you my vote for the simple fact that you treated me like shit in this game, and I have no respect for that.
Debate to your hearts content....
Greg
I'm hesitant to give you my vote because, as time unfolded, your game began to look very sketchy to me. I think you led me on, man. Even into the final nine, you were still talking about how you wanted to make things work between you and me. I'm starting to wonder if that was all a load of bull shit. I really need some clarification on what role I had in your game. I realize that I wasn't your main ally, but I can't help but wonder if I was even a close second.
I'm also wondering how many people you manipulated in this game. You admitted in your opening statement that you had to play dirty sometimes, and I think its time you go into detail about that. Explain. With that out of the way, I had just a couple of questions for you all. Amanda, despite what I said above, you seemed to make some pretty smart decisions in the game. You always made moves at the right times, and it worked out well for you. What was the best decision you made in this game?
Greg, you did alot of things better than everyone else in this game. What do you believe was your greatest strength?
Both, I feel like you can learn alot by observing from others. What is one quality of each jury member that you wish you could've emulated? Once again, congrats on making the finals and good luck with all your questions. James |
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Post by Greg Buis on Aug 7, 2009 14:40:33 GMT -5
Greg
I'm hesitant to give you my vote because, as time unfolded, your game began to look very sketchy to me. I think you led me on, man. Even into the final nine, you were still talking about how you wanted to make things work between you and me. I'm starting to wonder if that was all a load of bull shit. I really need some clarification on what role I had in your game. I realize that I wasn't your main ally, but I can't help but wonder if I was even a close second. Thank you, James for the congratulating me; it really means a lot.  Now, as for your question, I'm not going to lie about this at all. My game was a social game. I always made sure that I had options open and I wasn't left out of a plan if another fell through, unfortuantely you were just, and I'm sorry if it stings, a back-up ally. I knew we never voted the same except for maybe once or twice, but I always knew that you would never vote me out. I kept PMing you constantly over and over again making sure I was the one who spoke to you the most and made sure that if anything came up from the "other" side you would tell me. You did play an important role in my game; you would feed me information from the other side, if you didn't already realize that. The whole Heidi situation when you told me everything? Yep. That's when I went into revenge mode when I knew who and why voted for her. Also, I was embed the idea of you and I in the finals so much because I knew you had some say and word on the other side and I knew that if it came down to me and someone else to get voted off you would fight for me to stay an extra round. So that was the role you played in my game. And the only reason I lead you on, man was because I couldn't lose you as an ally. I built up so much on our relationship and I didn't want that to go away. It was selfish of me, but it was how I placed you in me game. In my defense, however; I did ask you to join me and vote the way I wanted to, but you kept going with the other side so what option did I have except vote you out when the time came? I'm sorry. I'm also wondering how many people you manipulated in this game. You admitted in your opening statement that you had to play dirty sometimes, and I think its time you go into detail about that. Explain. [/color][/quote] Alright, I think my lying and manipulating probably started the round that Jaime left. After Heidi left the game I knew I was next on the chopping block and I knew that if we lost the next two immunity challenges I would have been voted out before or after Amanda. That's where, I stated above, you came in again. I kept close tabs with you because I knew you'd push for an Amanda boot over me and you seemed, to me anyway, like the leader to the other side. About my manipulation, I told Jaime and you that I wasn't sure what I was going to do that round when I knew 100% I was going with the Kads and taking out Jaime. This turned into revenge. Right after that I was talking with Eliza and built up another sincere, solid alliance and we talked about blindsiding Jeanne. And then bam! I became close with Brook, Steph, and Jamie and made sure I had strong allies on my side. If it wasn't for Ashlee self-voting then Jeanne would have left that round and it was a minor set back. I didn't really do anything shady with JT. I hated him, he hated me and I wanted him gone. I pushed for hit boot and got my wish. Jeanne won another immunity so we couldn't vote her out. I didn't want Steph or you gone because I was still very close to both of you so I sent out the PMs to take out Alicia, because she was very good at live speed challenges and that was the round that Steph flipped on us and voted with the other side. We still had the majority and Alicia went home. This is probably the sneakiest I've been. I've been tight with Steph since the beginning of the game and I trusted her SO much. When she tried to get the votes and flip the game back to the other side I was pissed. You proposed the idea to vote out Steph and I jumped on that. Amanda was in and that was three votes. I worked on Eliza, who was Steph's closest ally, and got her to vote out Steph. Brook and Jaime self-voted that round and I lied to Steph and voted her out. I never really lied to Jeanne. I'm pretty sure at that point when she didn't win immunity she knew she was up. She was a good player and took forever to get out, that's why I campaigned so hard for her vote out. You. :/ You were the last person left from the other side who needed to go. It sucked, but it was playing the game. It was the right time, for me anyway, to take out Brook or Jaime and you had to go. I knew you were going to be pissed at me and hate me for life, but it is the game. After you left I sent PMs to my closest allies, Eliza and Amanda, and told them that Jaime needed to go next. He was the best competitor between him and Brook and I needed Eliza and Amanda in with me in the Final three. After Jaime won immunity I was throw into overdrive. I knew my head was on the chopping block that round (I did receive a vote) and I had to think fast. I was worried that maybe Amanda or Eliza would flip on me so I created a fake PM and sent it to Amanda and Eliza saying that: "Brook told me that you were campaigning to vote me out. He wanted me to vote with him and Jaime and vote you out. I really hope this isn't true." I knew it was a slimeball move, but I had to do it to feel secure. Amanda wanted to blindside Eliza that round, but I couldn't do it. I needed Eliza and Amanda both with me in the Final three so after I sent that PM Amanda and Eliza were both on board with booting and Jaime and he left in the voting block of Amanda-Greg-Eliza. Jaime voted me out last round so I had no obligations to him and voted him subsequently. I promised Eliza over and over again that I would be with her in the Finals. I said that same thing to Amanda. I did this to make sure if one of them won immunity I would be safe and they would choose me over the other. After I won immunity (because i NEVER throw a challenge. I give 100% in every competition.) I was in a bind. Who do I take? The person I've been through everything with? Or the person I strategized more with? I did send Eliza a PM explaining my decision for it wasn't a complete blindside to her, but I did lie to her and vote her out. As for manipulating? I don't want to sound cocky and please stop me if I am, but I do think I was the ring leader in the Brook-Eliza-Amanda-Jaime-Greg alliance. The person I voted out since JT left, left every single time. Greg, you did alot of things better than everyone else in this game. What do you believe was your greatest strength? I think my greatest strength in my social capability. People down the social aspect of the game so much and focus more on the challenge winning. Despite that I did win the most individual immunities, I made sure I was high up in everyone's friend ladder. By playing a strong social game you have so much power via manipulating and making sure people are good to go. I would say that my social game was my biggest strength. Both, I feel like you can learn alot by observing from others. What is one quality of each jury member that you wish you could've emulated? [/center][/quote] Alicia - The way she mastered that speed competition and the way how she ousted Amanda and I. She didn't care what the consequences were she did her own thing and she just didn't give a fuck. I loved that about her. Steph - I love Luis to death, but the one thing I love that he does is he hoes down bitches and has no regret. If you're in his way he WILL take you down. I love that about him. Jeanne - I've never played a game with Troy, but he was a cat with nine lives in this game. I don't know how he managed to escape being voted off so many times, but what it was worked for him. So I loved that about him. James - I loved how smoothly your words were written. In all honestly, I adapted the way you wrote to me and used it for other people. You made people feel safe and secure and I thought that was an amazing social game yo had going. Brook - I loved his happy demeanor. He never held a grudge and he seemed so peppy and happy 24/7. I loved his optimism. Jaime - I loved that he could win clutch competitions when he needed to. I don't understand how he did that, but I would love to know his secret. Eliza - Last, but certainly not last Eliza. I loved her strategizing and I loved her she managed to NEVER receive a single vote in the whole damn game until Final three which hardly counts.. That's something to look up to and I would love to emulate that about her. Sorry for the very long response, but I hope it answers your questions, James. It was a pleasure to play this game with you and if you need me to clarify on anything just let me know. |
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Post by Eliza Orlins on Aug 7, 2009 14:45:26 GMT -5
LULZ, pretty much not, because you don't know exactly why I went with you, but that's fine. <3 If you know the real reasons, I'd say you really were, but I am sure 100% you don't.
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Post by Eliza Orlins on Aug 7, 2009 14:47:02 GMT -5
Another, you didn't do anything on that. I already decided what to do the next two rounds, so that doesn't count. Sorry for not posting questions yet, I wil do so later or tomorrow.
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Post by Jamie Newton on Aug 7, 2009 14:56:19 GMT -5
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Post by Amanda Kimmel on Aug 7, 2009 17:10:19 GMT -5
-_- Umm pretty sure we did what we did because of the JABEG alliance..? I mean more than half the time it was me and Eliza sending out group PM's, don't try and steal the glory. Another lie, because that's what I did. Want the proof? here it is:  I first sent this PM to Eliza telling her that "Brook was gunning for her"  and then I pmed Greg on how to act if Eliza approached him about Brook rallying for Eliza. Merely Greg played a pwan in this part, because I secured Eliza's vote with us. |
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Post by Eliza Orlins on Aug 7, 2009 17:16:37 GMT -5
True you lied about that, but that wasn't the reason I voted Brook out. Just wanted to clarify.
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Post by Greg Buis on Aug 7, 2009 17:16:43 GMT -5
I know, but I sent a fake PM to Eliza AND you. :x
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Post by Amanda Kimmel on Aug 7, 2009 17:31:42 GMT -5
Firstly thanks for the congrats I don't think this is a fair assumption at all. I didn't sit out at most Banayri challenges, half the reasons as to why I did is because nobody else would take the time to sit out and I knew other players like Jeanne, Heidi, Greg and Ashlee were more built for challenges because they were great in the physical department. But hey, when I competed in challenges I did do a good job, I mean remember the challenge you said you'd be here for and you didn't even show up? and we lost...passion for you could have been assumed at that point James. I guess it is just different peoples perspectives. I didn't win an immunity challenge at merge, that is correct. I didn't feel the need to look like a physical threat because I was already playing the social butterfly card. I didn't want to portray myself as a tripple threat in this game and put my neck out on the line. I wanted to play behind the curtains if so to speak. And I did tell you on numerous occasions that it is a "two way street" half the time you never replied to my PM's and then once you started voting for me I didn't feel the need to then go back to you, send you a PM and suck up your ass on "how much I love you". Half the time, you wouldn't reply but I would tell you how the votes were going each round, and trying to keep you informed, but you didn't seem at all 'passionate' enough so, I didn't know what to do.I wouldn't really say the victim card, because merely on Banayri I had no alliances. I went and asked Jeanne for alliance and she kinda beaded around the bush. So I knew I wasn't going to get anywhere with her. Then Heidi came to me and asked for one and I kinda thought "why the hell not?" I took it and then she was blindsided I knew I was at the bottom of the barrel. Come merge I knew Greg was on the same boat with me, and I didn't portray myself as being the victim with the original Kadarma tribe I merely exploited the fact that I was on my own with Greg and if the Kads needed majority, I was here for them, and I told them that.Too be honest James, you need to man up. Because I know that you know every time you voted for me you'd come crawling back with an excuse as to why you did so. You voted me on a ratio three times to my one. I sent you a PM basically calling you out on your trust. I didn't 'treat' you like shit nor did I 'degrade' you on any basis. I flat out told you that I couldn't trust you anymore because every time you voted for me you always came back with an excuse and it seemed like you tried to come back because you knew you were in the minority and that you needed my help. That's how I portrayed it. But after you voted for me when Alicia left I knew it was all over red rover for us, and that I couldn't help you anymore because you didn't approach me, nor tell me, like I would have told you that I was voting for you.
Had you approached me at final 6 and said "Hey Amanda, let's make a final 3 with me and Greg" I would have done it hands down.I guess there were a lot of smart decisions. I guess I had the JABEG alliance on my side and I had such great bonds with them, that they helped me a lot, but I did do a lot of social work on toes, with making them all for secure on where I stood with them.
I feel like the best decision was showing them that I was loyal to Eliza, Stephenie, Jamie, and Brook by voting Jaime and Ashlee then J.T out. Proving them that I was going to be with them to the very end. Then as the game unfolded I took more risks played an even harder social game, and worked my ass off to secure my position every time.I will try and keep this as short as possible.
Alicia: I wish I had her ability to just flip all of a sudden but tell everyone at the same time, and not give a shit at what anyone thinks of her.
Stephenie: I wish I was a 'cuntress' like her. She played thee perfect bitch. I wish I could have played more of the "bitchy" role but I felt like if I did my bitch comes across very nasty, so I wouldn't have made it as far being the utter most bitter cuntress walking.
Jeanne: I wish I had Jeanne's ability to 'never give up' and I even stated this in my confessionals.
James: I wish I had the ability to basically take chances, piss people off but to it so shady and sly.
Brook: I wish I had his real down to earth kindess and loving!
Jamie: Immunity whore. I would have loved to of been an immunity whore rather than a social whore, but if I had to play a more stronger immunity typed game, I would have emulated Jamie's strength.
Eliza: I would emulate everything and anything about Eliza. She was the "golden girl" in this game, no denials. Thanks for the questions James, I hope this helps you out a bit. |
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Post by Amanda Kimmel on Aug 7, 2009 17:32:56 GMT -5
I know, but I sent a fake PM to Eliza AND you. :x True you did, and so did I even stevens then. god bless you Gregory. |
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Post by Amanda Kimmel on Aug 7, 2009 17:33:44 GMT -5
True you lied about that, but that wasn't the reason I voted Brook out. Just wanted to clarify. Well I guess Greg and myself 'assumed' that you voted Brook because one of us worked our magic haha, but thanks for clearing it up |
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Post by Greg Buis on Aug 7, 2009 17:38:14 GMT -5
lmfao. I guess we did. I love you, Amanda. |
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Post by James Miller on Aug 7, 2009 17:46:27 GMT -5
Timeout... I gotta clear things up again since you seem to have a passion for dragging me through the mud.  Amanda, I was every bit of a passionate player. That was my goal in this game: play the game as passionately as I possibly could. In every single challenge I did on Banayri, I did it like it was my last hope of staying in the game. In one challenge where we lost, I pretty much had to organize the total effort of the chain order in which we would post. I did that by myself. In the challenge we lost where Heidi was voted out, I wasn't able to be on at all that day. However, the tribe chose me to be in the challenge because I was "most likely to show up and do a good job". So.... "....remember the challenge you said you'd be here for and you didn't even show up? and we lost...passion for you could have been assumed at that point James" is a damn lie, Amanda. I signed on early the next morning, but it was already too little, too late. So to take your insecurity on not doing enough in challenges in this game and turn it around on me is about the dumbest thing you can do. As for the message I sent you after voting for you the second time, I regret that. I did that because I figured we could work together on a vote for Stephenie. However, you always take things as a "suck up your ass on 'how much I love you'..." I could call you out on more, but I'm just fed up with this shit. You are a player who did a good job of making the finals, but you always turn shit around on other people to make them look bad. (For example, the shit you've said to Greg in this thread...) I, honestly, can't stand you and needless to say, you have no shot in hell at getting my vote. Good luck with the rest, though. |
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Post by Amanda Kimmel on Aug 7, 2009 17:49:28 GMT -5
Timeout... I gotta clear things up again since you seem to have a passion for dragging me through the mud. Amanda, I was every bit of a passionate player. That was my goal in this game: play the game as passionately as I possibly could. In every single challenge I did on Banayri, I did it like it was my last hope of staying in the game. In one challenge where we lost, I pretty much had to organize the total effort of the chain order in which we would post. I did that by myself. In the challenge we lost where Heidi was voted out, I wasn't able to be on at all that day. However, the tribe chose me to be in the challenge because I was "most likely to show up and do a good job". So.... "....remember the challenge you said you'd be here for and you didn't even show up? and we lost...passion for you could have been assumed at that point James" is a damn lie, Amanda. I signed on early the next morning, but it was already too little, too late. So to take your insecurity on not doing enough in challenges in this game and turn it around on me is about the dumbest thing you can do. As for the message I sent you after voting for you the second time, I regret that. I did that because I figured we could work together on a vote for Stephenie. However, you always take things as a "suck up your ass on 'how much I love you'..." I could call you out on more, but I'm just fed up with this shit. You are a player who did a good job of making the finals, but you always turn shit around on other people to make them look bad. (For example, the shit you've said to Greg in this thread...) I, honestly, can't stand you and needless to say, you have no shot in hell at getting my vote. Good luck with the rest, though. That's fine, I mean your a delusional twat anyway. You really don't know how I played this game, and I don't feel the need to even sum it up for you. Because I am here and your not. |
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Post by Jamie Newton on Aug 7, 2009 18:24:11 GMT -5
<3 mandy tell him off, cuz he really ain't that great.
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just happens a lot. this: 
